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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 17:36:18 GMT
I'm sure I benefited from knowing Sierra in the beginning stages. But the reason why SHE wasn't idol'd out or you, Matty weren't idol'd out instead of Ozzy is because everyone else felt much tighter with you two. Whether that's based off outside relationships or not, I have no idea. Probably a mix of both, but they refused to vote either of you. Tom's continuously not wanting to vote you, Matty, had more to do with him being friends with you outside the game and that's fact and he finally came to that conclusion once it was too late for all of us.
This was like playing an AS game because nearly everyone at merge knew everyone else. It's not a strict alias game, so people can do what they want, but if you think that you and Sierra got as far as you did purely on social game and strategically game, you may be right, but you can't discount that aliases had a huge, HUGE part in the play out of this game.
And while just because you know someone doesn't mean you'll align with them, the point is ya'll did and I think your bond was so close because you already felt a bond from before and knew you could trust each other. Sierra voted you out because she HAD to and there was nothing she could do. You even told me ya'll would have voted me out if Chelsea didn't have that idol. She didn't do what was best for her game because, if she didn't have to, she would have let you waltz to the end and get this win. Chelsea almost did the same.
So, while I appreciate what you said, this is what was absolutely wrong with this season and that is the fact that most of these people didn't come to play the game. They came to get to the end with people they cared about even if it meant losing the whole thing and virtually wasting the last 2 months they spent on this game.
Now, I say all this and say that I do also respect that gameplay because I've done it many times. Hell, I did it in this last round and it got me booted...the one time this game I decided to let my heart take over, I think it actually lost me the game. So, say what you will and we obviously have two different perspectives on this situation, but I think you're more involved emotionally to these people than I was because, as much as I like these people, I don't love them or cherish them...there simply is no way for me to because there is no tangible form of friendship for me in this game outside of playing the game together.
People will be upset by that when they read it, in particular the three people sitting in those spots, but I just don't feel and haven't felt the same emotional connections they did this game...and that's fine that they do and I hope it will be fine that I don't. It doesn't make me insincere or an ass, it's just a different perspective. I love this game and I love playing in it online and everyone gets different things out of it. I made bonds, but there are so many limitations for me since it's all technological...you miss so much of true bonding and so there is a limitation for me and I felt I reached that with a good amount of you, but ultimately I came to play this game, play it hard, and I did what I came here to do. If I leave and people think I'm an atrocious human being then...well that will be a first. LOL
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Post by Stephanie on Jul 22, 2015 18:42:38 GMT
I HATE THAT I LOVE PPL THIS GAME I HATE HAVING EMOTIONS SO MUCH IM SO FUCKING UNUSED TO IT WHY WAS THIS GAME SO EMOTIONAL
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 18:43:48 GMT
I feel like...I don't even know. I heard ENDLESSLY from Sierra last round how terrible of a person I was for going against our friendship. Ya'll, SHE DIDN'T EVEN PUT ME IN ANY OF HER FRIENDSHIP SPEECHES AND I WASN'T EVEN IN HER TOP 5 FOR RELATIONSHIPS!
I'm definitely going to rage.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 18:44:15 GMT
There should be a supply of Xanax for half the people in this game when this is over.
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Post by Stephanie on Jul 22, 2015 19:02:42 GMT
I have a prescription for that if anyone wants to buy some off me tbh
Also. Is Joaq gonna even try answering the questions lol.....
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 19:25:07 GMT
I'm so upset at myself now seeing his display...I think I knew in the back of my mind there was no way he would vote Sierra just based off things I had heard and also what Steph had told me, but part of me hoped he still wanted to try to win this game. But I think I would have done better in this FTC with Sierra there than I thought and I wish I would have just sacked up and went for it...sigh...
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Post by Tom on Jul 22, 2015 19:42:39 GMT
Yeah, the outside relationships and how that affected people's choices this game really got me to the core. I've played with friends before, but I've seriously never seen it this severe in a game before. It's bizarre. It made my game style (not playing with friends) seem so villainous, but it wasn't...just everyone else played this game alongside their long lost something and refused to betray them. Tom and Varner, how did knowing Sierra help you at all? Did you advance her game at any point solely for knowing who she is? I am gonna say knowing who Sierra is just made me want to stick in character THAT much harder lol. Because I was constantly afraid what would happen the moment she found out who I was. Which is what happened at F10 but that's a whole different issue altogether. As for advancing her game solely for knowing who she is, yes. After the move at F10 the smart, logical and obvious thing to do was get rid of Sierra or you, Matty. You won immunity so she was the next best option. I have said many times over now that this round was an intensely emotional one for me. Firstly, having to lie to you which I have told you about. Secondly, breaking the trust of Sierra (again) really wore on me. She admits that she doesn't know why we voted Shane out. It wasn't out of idol fear. It was in large part because I wanted to fulfill my promise to you, I didn't want to hurt Sierra again and the fact that Shane tried going after me was the clincher. But the fact that I knew who she was had a huge part in it. Props to her for using that to her benefit though. I commend that but outside relationships definitely played a part in Sierra getting to the end more than they did for Chelsea as far as I can see. Tom's continuously not wanting to vote you, Matty, had more to do with him being friends with you outside the game and that's fact and he finally came to that conclusion once it was too late for all of us. This is not entirely true. While I knew who Matty was the whole time, he didn't know who I was until F10. Yet throughout the pre-merge I had a lot of trust in Matty since we used to talk regularly. So my decision to not want to vote Matty stemmed from the fact that I felt I could trust him the most out of everyone here besides Chelsea and Varner.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 20:00:40 GMT
Fair enough.
The Shane boot was lousy and it isn't anything Chelsea should take credit for strategically because it was awful and it's nothing that Sierra and Joaq should NOT be thanking their lucky stars for because they would have been early Jury if the round went how it was supposed to and we could take out Matty/Sierra.
From the Shane vote onward, the only OUNCE of strategical gameplay that existed was likely me and Steph trying to work something out...and that's the honest truth. This whole merge, aside from idols, from the point Shane left was predictable and a snoozer. No one should talk about strategical moves made because there honestly weren't any. It was a Pagonging up until the Steph vote. Granted, it would have ended up the same way had we continued on our path, but there would be more to praise in that regard I think because we turned the game around for ourselves whereas Sierra and co just rode the waves to the end. They just had to dodge idols and did nothing more than that...
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 20:02:11 GMT
I'm really struggling trying to think of who I actually want to give my vote to. It's a lot of pride for me:
Joaq: Don't want to vote him because it would be like me saying he made the right choice last round which he absolutely did not.
Sierra: It would be like I'm saying her fakeness toward me and the way she played with her friends is something I respect.
Chelsea: Although she stood out on the challenge field, she didn't do much more than that other than jeopardize and ultimately tank all of her ally's games.
This is going to be a tough one.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 20:20:17 GMT
Tom, you also have to understand Shane's perspective. You might not have known it at the time, but he knew you were trying to get him out over Jamie that round, basically. So of course it would be on his mind that you two weren't as tight as he once thought. He was super loyal to you and soon realized you were more in the game for Matty/Jamie than him. I realized this same thing which is why I scooped him up. But you can't expect someone you want out to not want you out lol the only difference is he didn't have the connections to do anything about it.
You were right in saying I would have gone to the end with him because it's true, but that had to do with the way you were playing the game. And had that vote out just happened a bit later, we both would be in a better place.
The issue I had was that it showed me you didn't trust me enough what I was saying about Sierra/Matty. We should have split them up before even trying to take out each other. But it showed a huge distrust you had for me, not just Shane. I tried to assure you guys he was loyal to us and he was. He had nowhere to go. Him staying was great for all of us not only because of that, but he was a huge target. I also informed you he said he would use his idol on any of us if necessary and you and Chelsea both just threw that away. And that was the last form of idol protection I really had since mine was now gone, that I used to sacrifice for the team, and that all got thrown away a round later.
It was really frustrating...and at that point I knew you/Chelsea were closer than I thought and that's when I made the deals with Steph to do other things...but I also didn't have a choice, I was just prolonging my inevitable doom. This whole game was so, so frustrating to me...
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Post by Tom on Jul 22, 2015 20:40:16 GMT
Tom, you also have to understand Shane's perspective. You might not have known it at the time, but he knew you were trying to get him out over Jamie that round, basically. So of course it would be on his mind that you two weren't as tight as he once thought. He was super loyal to you and soon realized you were more in the game for Matty/Jamie than him. I realized this same thing which is why I scooped him up. You were right in saying I would have gone to the end with him because it's true, but that had to do with the way you were playing the game. And had that vote out just happened a bit later, we both would be in a better place. The issue I had was that it showed me you didn't trust me enough what I was saying about Sierra/Matty. We should have split them up before even trying to take out each other. But it showed a huge distrust you had for me, not just Shane. I tried to assure you guys he was loyal to us and he was. He had nowhere to go. Him staying was great for all of us not only because of that, but he was a huge target. I also informed you he said he would use his idol on any of us if necessary and you and Chelsea both just threw that away. And that was the last form of idol protection I really had since mine was now gone, that I used to sacrifice for the team, and that all got thrown away a round later. It was really frustrating...and at that point I knew you/Chelsea were closer than I thought and that's when I made the deals with Steph to do other things...but I also didn't have a choice, I was just prolonging my inevitable doom. This whole game was so, so frustrating to me... I understand now why Shane wanted me out. I don't hold it against him at all. And major props to you for scooping him up as soon as he came back into the game. That was a great play on your part for both short and long term. The F9 round had another issue with it that the vote came during the holiday weekend when you weren't around, I was mobile and there was little to no communication between Crystal and I as well. It was, to me, a perfect storm which coupled with my emotional state culminated in the absolute worst strategic decision possible. I take responsibility for that and it is the sole reason Shane, Crystal and you were put in the shitty position you ended up in post-merge. Had we stuck with our 5 and taken anyone of Sierra, Steph, Joaq out there still wouldn't be a pangonging and there would have been a lot more game left to play as opposed to what ended up happening. And I am really sorry for that. And about the trust between you and I, I always saw you as my best strategic ally in this game. We did have personal conversations which I enjoyed as well but it was mostly game between us which I felt flowed really well and we were usually in sync about our ideas. But once everything happened with the F9 I felt the trust between us was lost and even when you said stuff like you know you wanted to go to the end with me, I just saw that as you knowing that you can beat me now and just want to benefit from the fact that I have and will keep burning the jury the longer I stay. Which, completely fair on your part but once we lost power it was never going to happen. As for the idol, I just never really worried about that thing enough in all honesty. Which is silly of me because it dictated a couple of key rounds in the game but I just always brushed anything about the idol off and tried to play in a way that it wouldn't matter who had possession of it. Your deal with Steph was another great play but one that I saw coming and used that as a way to stay beyond F7 when I tried to get Matty to see that if I go out at 7, him and Sierra leave themselves open to Steph/Joaq flipping on them and siding with you and Chelsea. Which half happened and half didn't because of the Sierra-Joaq bond that no one picked up on until it was very late. I don't hold that against you at all and I was rooting for you to make it to the end because you had to overcome a lot more obstacles than all of us in the game combined through no fault of your own.
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Post by Stephanie on Jul 22, 2015 20:47:33 GMT
Yeah for as wild and crazy as the premerge was, after Ozzy's boot I was so bored. There were rounds I wouldn't have anything game-related to even say in my confessionals. It wasn't up until my elimination that anything picked up, so.. It's kinda like how World's Apart was so so good for the first half, and after the merge boot it was a snooze fest up until the last episode.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 22, 2015 21:41:17 GMT
P much yeah
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Post by Ozzy on Jul 23, 2015 1:51:02 GMT
That's why you ass holes should have kept me. I keep things interesting.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 23, 2015 3:24:00 GMT
That's why I regretted it every day after because I got rid of someone who would have been willing to jump ship and wasn't stuck on the love train this season...honestly, I didn't necessarily want you gone Ozzy, but if I would have put it on anyone else, Tom and Chelsea wouldn't have been on board and if I idol'd Shane without anyone else's consent, I would have been left in an even worse minority. It would have been fun though, but would have been so bad for me.
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