Jeff
Jury
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Post by Jeff on Jul 23, 2015 21:41:56 GMT
[Brace yourselves. This is gonna get messy like peanut butter!]
Hey, ya'll! Congrats on making the end of the game. It's obviously an impressive thing to do especially after the weird twists and turns this game has thrown at us. I obviously wish I was sitting there, but I can only blame myself for that one, so I will have to live with it.
I surprisingly wasn't upset after being voted out, but kind of relieved. Although I wanted to make the end, this game drained me in a lot of ways that I've never felt before and I finally realized that it was this emotional aspect that really threw me off. I've played with many friends over time, close ones...I've been aligned to them, played against them, been brutally backstabbed by them and on multiple occasions...all that to say, I know what it's like to have the emotional aspect and I've ruined my game on multiple occasions trying to play with people I cared about. But you guys took it to a whole new level...one I've never seen before. AND IT WAS DRAINING!
Trust me, I respect playing with friends, but I felt the integrity of the game was completely shattered this season. Since when does playing the game and trying to get to the end and not bending over just because your friend wants you to do their bidding become the most villainous thing in the world or make someone insincere or just a terrible person? More on that later, but just know that simply because I liked you in this game does not mean I know who I'm going to vote for nor does it mean I will go easy on you here.
I don't feel that any of you played a very strong game outside of your social game...but for some of you, the social game had more to do with pre-existing bonds than anything else and that's something I don't really respect.
DISCLAIMER: STOP BRINGING UP PAST GAMES HERE! NO ONE CARES! THIS ISN'T ANOTHER GAME AND JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE MADE JURY BEFORE OR EVERY GAME OR WHATEVER LITERALLY MEANS ASS! I'M NOT BASING MY VOTE ON ANY PAST GAMES OR HOW YOU USUALLY PLAY. THE POINT IS YOU EITHER DID WHAT YOU NEEDED TO HERE TO WIN, OR YOU SUCKED. So, I'm going to address ya'll separately: Chelsea: You were so, so loyal to me and I thank you immensely for that. But, just so you know, playing with you was such a hard thing to do because of how your emotions took you over. You lost a lot of common sense in this game and lost so much trust from me because you kept telling people the moves we were making before they even happened NEARLY leading to us losing power twice. I don't know how you find that strategical OR loyal because all I saw it as is a weakness...you were either too worried about Jury management or you simply had no loyalties in this game since you not only voted against the people you informed about the Ian and Ozzy votes, but then you sold out all the people who were working with you in order to just relieve your conscience. So, my questions to you are these: 1. Why did you tell people the times we were making moves? Was it Jury management, or was it just to make sure you seemed like the good guy and threw all the people who voted with you out to dry? (for the second part of the question, just choose either Jury management or throwing us all out to dry while looking like the good guy. If you try to explain, you will lose my vote.)2. How do you think your emotions are going to cost you from winning this game? Do you regret how emotionally invested you played?3. If I was sitting there next to you instead of Joaquin, how do you seriously see the Jury votes falling for you? Do you win? Do I win? Do we both get stomped by Sierra? Tell me the votes you think you would receive and the ones myself and Sierra receive. Account for all of them. Assign the votes to someone even if you don't know.4. Finally, you keep saying that it was because of that 1 minute I gave you to change your vote and you driving that you didn't switch your vote to Sierra. But you knew full well who I was voting for because I said it all day. I said I didn't want to vote away from you, but that I knew this needed to happen for us to have a shot (which was right). You're basically blaming me for not giving you time to switch your vote and it really makes me upset because I was trying to get you to flip and you refused.
So my question is this: Were you actually going to flip your vote or were you just trying to make me going out not feel like such a hit? If you were going to switch your vote, why did you finally come to that decision after me trying to convince you all day?Just so you know, losing numbers after Shane left was probably the best thing for you to end up where you are at because, with all the double sided playing you seemingly were doing with trying to appease everyone, you would have had no one there who would want to stick up for you unless by circumstance. I thought it was an extremely cowardly way to play the game and it nearly cost me in the Ozzy round and DID cost me the round you voted out Shane. But, I did enjoy you, you were loyal in gameplay and friendship and I thank you for that. I do wish you the best here because I am rooting for you over the other two 100%, but you gotta work hard here, baby! No one is going to hand this over to you, so please, please, don't sugar coat things. Drop the emotional tidal waves and just hand it to us straight! You will earn more respect here by being honest than you will by doing what you have been. You played a good game. Now prove it!! Joaquin: Honestly, I guess I just misinterpreted the fact that you had actually given up in this game and didn't give a crap in the world to win this thing. Your intentions started to seem right and that you were here to play when Steph left, but I was wrong. You were here to hand the game to someone else and it's pathetic. If you really, TRULY cared about the integrity of this game and how you were negatively impacting it, then you should have just bowed out of the game. You may as well have because your display here in the Final Tribal is completely silly and now I regret more than ever not voting you out last round when it would have led me to your spot. I was torn between going to the end with people who seemingly deserved it and going to the end with two people I felt I would win in a landslide over. Because I wanted to win this game, I went with the strategically sound decision. I wouldn't say you took advantage of me, because you didn't. That vote had nothing to do with you. And I don't think you played much different here than any other game I've seen you in, the difference was your activity level. I think that everyone knew what you were up to and with who, but your "goat" status really just kept you chugging along. It's an easy position to play because no matter what you do past a certain point and no matter what moves you will attempt or how much drama you will stir up, no one will get rid of you. I'm pretty much rambling at this point and to keep this game related, we both know you're not winning this thing, so congratulations on making FTC and I'm sure I'll see you boasting about it in another series or even this one. Sierra: I think I want to address you in a way you addressed me when I left. You are definitely something to scoff at. Don't come at me when I say I'm voting for you as if I'm the lowest and most disgusting human being in the world because I didn't play your same lovey-dovey game, you hypocrite! I was ready for it and I was totally prepared for it, so when it came, I just tried to take it as it came and roll with the punches. So that's all fine, though I thought you took it a little too far in the attacks, but I digress. What really is making my blood boil now is the fact that you were telling me I was so insincere and disgusting, yet I'm not someone you even mention in your "friend speeches" or as one of your social ties. Game wise, that's fine because it's true that I wasn't beneficial to you and was very much against you from the time you took me out of that first challenge, but what you said to me had NOTHING to do with game and was strictly personal, and on a personal level, you're a huge hypocrite for me that you would have the audacity to try and make me feel like a terrible person when you didn't even feel the same way. So, in your own words, 'screw you, bye!' I did like you, but I don't get quite as attached as you seemingly do. Part of me hoped you would at least respect that I was trying to play the game and do whatever I possibly could even if that meant going against a friend, but I guess that's not how Survivor is played and I am a terrible person and villain for it. I'll live with it. Much like our relationship seemingly dismantled over the course of the merge though you continued to tell me how much you loved me (which I can confirm is the fakest thing I've been told all game), I wanted to win because I knew the relationships I would burn throughout the game wouldn't last and I'd rather take the win that would be in my resume for however long I wanted it to be. You and others proved my point, so I feel happy about all the decisions I made, the lies I said, and the deceptive demeanor I had this game. Basically, I would respect my gameplay over someone who used fake "love" and friendship in order to advance themselves...reminds me of South Pacific. Anyway, I do have questions for you and, if you want my vote, I suggest you work for them. 1. I feel you're sitting where you are because of past relationships. Not necessarily pre-game relationships, but past relationships. You gravitated very quickly to some people and you built quick and nearly unbreakable bonds with people and I feel that was because there was pre-established trust between you and others as opposed to new relationships that a lot of us had to gain and build. Big advantage to you. Matty is arguing against it, but he is just as much to blame in that regard and is a strong advocate for you, so I won't take his word for it.
Tell me of all the pre-existing relationships you had in this game, the kind of relationship you had, and how it benefited you in this game. Going all the way back to original Penedo, swaps, and onward.2. I want you to give it to me straight. Not from your reaction based on reading what I said above, but throughout the game, I want you to tell me exactly how you felt about me. Truly. If I'm completely off base on our relationship from what I said above, then tell me and tell me how big an ass I am right now. But that's how I see it now.3. What were your three biggest strategical decisions in this game and how did they help you get to the end? I don't think you made any strategical decisions this game outside listening to Joaq to vote out Steph and the Shane vote the first time. Prove that to me.4. What was the luckiest thing that happened to you this game that got you where you are? You lucked out on multiple occasions in my eyes, but there is one specific moment that I'm looking for. Let's see your perception of the game.For the two of you (Joaq you can answer if you want for fun):1. Compare each member of the Jury and your fellow finalists to a chess piece. Explain why. If you don't know what chess is, get to studying.
2. I am obviously tired of this whole love story season, so I'd like you guys to say two negative things about each Juror and each finalist. Don't make it personal, keep it in the context of the game.
3. On a scale of 1-10, how cute is the real Jeff Varner. This weighs very heavily on my vote (since I am him). Please and thank you.
Welp, it's been real...it's been fun...it's been real fun! Ya'll, it's been a blast and hopefully we can all reconcile after this. I feel like I blew my chances, but I came to play and took a big gamble and a lot of in real life stuff affected how this game went down, but ultimately, you three are there and one of you will win and I'm sure the winner will be a deserving one. I look forward to your guys' answers.[/center][/font]
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 24, 2015 1:10:54 GMT
OH BOY THIS IS GONNA BE FUNI feel you're sitting where you are because of past relationships. Not necessarily pre-game relationships, but past relationships. You gravitated very quickly to some people and you built quick and nearly unbreakable bonds with people and I feel that was because there was pre-established trust between you and others as opposed to new relationships that a lot of us had to gain and build. Big advantage to you. Matty is arguing against it, but he is just as much to blame in that regard and is a strong advocate for you, so I won't take his word for it. Tell me of all the pre-existing relationships you had in this game, the kind of relationship you had, and how it benefited you in this game. Going all the way back to original Penedo, swaps, and onward.
I kind of want to preface this by saying that like... it's not really my fault if people like me or want to work with me based on past games, especially when we're not in a strict alias environment. Having points deducted for that seems kind of dry to me. Original PenedoChelsea Where did we know each other from? A very brief stint in Warriors 4. We probably had an hour of conversation total, and most of it wasn't all that substantial (more flirty and casual). I think I asked her if she was Chelsea from Warriors pretty early on, just because she was repeat repping and spoke in a very similar way, but I never thought my identity would have a major influence on her opinion of me in the context of this game. How did it benefit me in this game? I'm not convinced it did. We barely knew each other, and I wasn't even close to being Chelsea's closest ally on OG Penedo. The bulk of our relationship was built strictly in this game, especially post-merge. She was one of my most important ties in this game, and I'm pretty sure I had to work for it. It was nothing to do with me being me. YOU (Varner) Where did we know each other from? You PWed me in SI9, I hosted you in Twisted 3. You approached me saying you knew who I was and that you wanted to play with me. To be honest with you, I probably never would have recognized you if you hadn't revealed yourself to me (or it at least would have taken me a long time). How did it benefit me in this game? .. in the end, it didn't, really. I was hoping for great things, but they weren't to be. More on that later, though. Osten Where did we know each other from? He hosted me in Pure 2, I hosted him in Twisted 4. I also PWed him in Warriors 5, where he was an All Star. We were both in SI9, but never interacted. Despite my attempts at staying alias, he approached me around 2 days into the game having identified me based on my musical leanings (lol). How did it benefit me in this game? Don't think it did, considering Osten's short-lived stint in the game and the fact that he probably would have been eliminated in like, round 2 if I hadn't switched the plan to Shane. (I'm not including Tom here because I had no idea who he was at this point) Overall: I don't think I was ever a target on OG Penedo, and it wasn't because of my former connections. If anything, my connections to Osten and Varner benefited THEM. nuBarra Matty Where did we know each other from? Both of us played Twisted 2 as our first ORG, so we met there. We then played GvE9 together as a Blood vs Water pair, I hosted him in Twisted 3, and we hosted together and podcasted for Twisted 4. We're very good friends, simple as that. We identified each other (we spend a lot of time outside of games just talking, so it's kinda difficult for us to not recognize one another when we meet). How did it benefit me in this game? Having my best ORG friend in this game was undeniably a massive benefit for me. It gave me someone to bounce ideas off of and an ally I could trust implicitly. A close alliance with one person, though, especially when it's outed to the whole cast (thanks, Amber!), isn't really enough to carry someone to the end. I did not expect both of us to make it as far as we did - I was almost certain one of us would get taken out early on post-merge based on the fact that we clearly weren't absolute duds of players and we were also known to be unbreakably close. For some reason, that didn't happen. Y'all let us get to F5 together (where, may I add, I had a hand in his elimination for the sake of my game). Who does the fault lie with, really? Cirie Where did we know each other from? Brief stint in Warriors 4 and I hosted her in Twisted 3. She was using her real life AIM for this game, so... yeah. How did it benefit me in this game? It didn't. Cirie's feud with me was built within the confines of this game, and that arguably had a negative impact on my game. John Where did we know each other from? Played Twisted 2 together and podcasted for Twisted 3 & 4. We recognized each other because we Snapchat/Skype on a semi-regular basis outside of the ORG world. How did it benefit me in this game? John knew Cirie out of game as well and had a very good relationship with her, which lead to him being conflicted when Cirie plotted with Amber to blindside me. I'm lucky he felt a stronger allegiance to me and warned me about the possibility of my being idoled out, though I think I would have considered that scenario eventually anyway. Amber Where did we know each other from? Brief stint in Warriors 4, played Pure 2 together. I knew it was her when she posted the ad for her game but decided to ignore it because I didn't want to drag bullshit from another game into this one. I did not reveal my alias to her or really talk to her that much at all, but she figured out it was me and decided she wanted to take "revenge" on me anyway. How did it benefit me in this game? In this instance, my past relationship with Amber actually had a definitive negative effect on my game. Her gunning for me based on her dislike for me is what started the shitstorm that resulted in Kimmi's boot, and I actually wanted to work with Kimmi. She also blew me up all over the boards and made a distinct effort to try and sabotage my in-game relationships, so there's that. Overall: A kind of balance was struck here. I don't doubt that the fact that John and I get along very well out of game at least partially influenced his decision to tell me about Amber & Cirie's plan (even if he had the same influence wrt Cirie), but that plan also would never have been conceived if Amber hadn't carried her weird hatred for me into this game. It's hard to say, really. It's worth nothing though that I ended up in alliances on this tribe with 3 people whose identities I didn't know, so it wasn't a matter of "keeping a pregame together". nunuBarra Joaquin Where did we know each other from? I hosted him in Twisted 3 & 4. We were also both in Twisted 2, but we never interacted. How did it benefit me in this game? Our past "relationship" didn't benefit me at all, because as anyone who follows the Twisted series knows, I was not a Joaquin fan in season 3, and in season 4, he graduated to being my absolute least favourite player in the whole game (and maybe even in the history of the series). I flat out could not stand him despite only being an onlooker and I was very vocal about it both times in the PW lounge. I never spoke to him one-on-one at all prior to this game. If anything, our past encounters laid poor foundations for any kind of decent relationship to be formed on, but we made it work. Overall: I made relationships with Joaq, Steph and Ozzy on this tribe completely from scratch and saved myself. If that isn't proof of my having an at least decent social game, then idk what is. Troca Maldita Tom Where did we know each other from? Played Twisted 2 & SI9 together, PWed Twisted 3/4 together, he PWed me in Warriors 4, and we "played" Pure 3 together (for the whole like 2 hours I was online). How did it benefit me in this game? Lol. I'm not convinced it did, ultimately. Nav and I have a bizarre relationship. If he figured out who I was early on and felt like he wanted to play with me then, that may have helped me in the pre-merge phase of the game, but that's pure speculation, and I had no idea it was him until like merge when he goofed in the speed puzzle challenge with his tabs. I think once I found out it was him it kind of took a turn towards the negative when he encouraged Ozzy's blindside to "weaken" me and cut down my options, because despite all our ribbing I think we respect each other as players based on past games and he felt like he needed to strike first. Beyond that, I don't know. I did not trust him, and our past relations definitely contributed towards that, though even before I knew who he was I was sketched out by his character. From his side, he might truly have intended to work with me until F4, but I don't think that was based on any past relationship we had, and it wasn't a two way street. TL;DR Notable in-game relationships potentially positively influenced by past relations: Matty, John Notable in-game relationships overall NOT positively influenced by past relations: Joaquin, Steph, Chelsea, Tom, Jamie, Ozzy, Kimmi, Varner ... in short, be fair, guys. I'm sure the vast majority of you knew the identities of some of the other people on this cast, and there's no way I'm the only one who had a past connection potentially work to my advantage. Everyone recognized Matty and I as a pair as early as the pre-merge phase, and to me it looked like none of you even tried to separate us before potentially F6, by which time it was already too late because we were both playing the game and making our own bonds outside of each other. Matty was the only long-lasting ally I had where past games/relationships were likely a major factor. I'd appreciate it if my entire social game wasn't defined by that one relationship and the controversy surrounding it. I have class now so I'll get to the rest of the questions later.
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 24, 2015 1:51:24 GMT
I want you to give it to me straight. Not from your reaction based on reading what I said above, but throughout the game, I want you to tell me exactly how you felt about me. Truly. If I'm completely off base on our relationship from what I said above, then tell me and tell me how big an ass I am right now. But that's how I see it now.
You are pretty off base. I knew I couldn’t trust you from a game point of view as soon as the Ozzy vote went down, especially since at that point I also heard from Chelsea and Tom that you were bragging about outsmarting me and also throwing me under the bus and telling people I tried to initiate cross-tribal chats with you, when it was actually you who always started conversations with me. Like I said before you were voted out, the main reason I did not target you during the merge was because you used your idol early on and could not get it again. It was not because I didn’t want to go against you because I thought of you as a friend - I tried my best to keep my emotions out of the vast majority of decisions I made in this game and I think I succeeded overall. It’s insulting for you to imply that I was false towards you just because I don't think our relationship had a major impact on my game.
It’s possible to make a reasonable trade-off between playing the game strategically and maintaining meaningful relationships with other people (I admit, this kind of comes as a shock even to me). There was nothing fake about any of the “love and friendship” I experienced throughout this game. I made a lot of genuine connections with people and I knew how to use them to my advantage and when to let them go. I am generally very transparent as far as my emotions go. You should be able to speak for this - when I was upset with you about something, I made it clear, didn’t I? Even when it wasn’t ideal from a game standpoint to express my feelings, I still did it, because that's the kind of person that I am. I did and do enjoy you as a human being, so I was not lying when I expressed positive sentiments towards you - but as a player, yup, I absolutely could not stand you. You lied way more than was necessary and did not seem aware that people were communicating with other players as opposed to just you. Your million and five deals that you tried making early merge were exposed as everyone compared notes with each other, and like I said, you burned me game-wise initially when I heard you were bragging about the Ozzy vote and trying to throw me under the bus. I knew you were against me and so I was against you, and avoided talking game with you as much as possible because I knew it would just be bullshit on both of our parts, and I don't like that. That doesn’t mean I didn’t like you as a person, though, or that I didn’t enjoy our conversations. I just didn’t like the way you were playing the game.
I got upset with you at F4 not because you were trying to “play the game” or because you went against me, but because I was fully committed to seeing you, Chelsea and I through to the end, and I thought you were too based on how you had acted over the past couple of rounds. Instead, I had to find out from Chelsea that you were trying to flip the vote against me, and you said nothing to me about it until I confronted you. I respect that you were trying to make what you thought was the best strategic decision for yourself, but you hyped the me/you/Chelsea F3 way too hard before you changed your mind. It was just unnecessary. Yes, more fool me for believing you, I did not handle the situation as well as I could have, but by that point, I was kind of fully over you being insincere towards me about game stuff when that is exactly what I was trying to avoid. I didn't talk anything really game related with you unless I intended to stick to what I was saying, but you didn't abide by the same policy, which I saw as kind of silly. Making false deals and talking game with people when you don't have any real intention of playing with them is, in a lot of cases, both cruel and unnecessary.
I am honestly sorry if any of what I said seemed personal, because it wasn’t meant that way. I know that outside this game you are a wonderful human being, but in it, I just couldn’t handle you. I was 100% going to break the F4 tie in your favour right up until results were posted, if only because I knew you would fight hard at FTC and I wanted another worthy adversary to go up against.
In short, as a person, I like you very much, and I was never fake with you in that sense. As a player in this game, I didn't like you very much at all.
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 24, 2015 5:47:29 GMT
What were your three biggest strategical decisions in this game and how did they help you get to the end? I don't think you made any strategical decisions this game outside listening to Joaq to vote out Steph and the Shane vote the first time. Prove that to me. OK. Let's start with one to clear up a misconception you have. 1. Steph's boot. I ultimately made the call on this. I did not "listen to Joaq to vote out Steph". I had been unsure of Steph since the round before because she had been discussing possibly flipping, and at the beginning of the F6 round I actually detailed a boot order in my confessional that involved her leaving that round if she tried to turn the tables on me or Matty. This turned out to be exactly what happened. Joaquin showed me logs of her gunning for Matty, and I had the idol, so I chose the direction of the votes. I wasn't going to let Matty go at F6, because as I've said elsewhere, I needed both him and Joaq to be there at F5 in order to completely ensure my safety. The vote was originally going to be for you, and Joaquin did suggest that we stick with this plan, but from a strategic PoV, it's better that Steph went, because I didn't see you as a threat to win the game by that point. This was not a random snap decision that I made out of anger becasue Steph was going after Matty. It was the best decision for my game (and like I said in my answer to Steph herself, it was kind of a defense mechanism). 2. Kimmi's boot. Everything was in disarray this round. The clusterfuck started when Matty unwittingly pulled Amber into our vote plans, and she took the opportunity to attempt to flip it on me. My relationship with John saw him coming to me with this information, and I set the target on Kimmi because she was the only one on the "other side" that Amber would not think to play the idol on. It took forever to convince Tom to go along with it, but he caved eventually. On top of her being the safest choice, I also saw Kimmi as a much bigger strategic and social threat than Cirie and Amber based on our conversations, so in setting the target on her, I eliminated someone I perceived to be tough competition as well as ensuring my own safety. It also further solidified my relationships with my voting bloc at the time. 3. The entirety of Cirie's boot round. In the space of this round alone, I secured the trust of 3 people I had never spoken to before. I suggested and insisted upon the vote split between Cirie and Crystal, knowing Crystal had the idol (she didn't end up playing it, but putting all four votes on to Cirie was not something I saw as being worth the risk), and was safe in the revote by virtue of the relationships I had formed with my new allies. I recognized Joaq's probable wandering goat status due to his prior inactivity and was aware that this could open doors for me later, so I made a finals deal with him, which benefited me greatly all throughout the merge. I also accepted an F2 offer from Steph, which helped to solidify another important relationship that helped me get to where I am now.
What was the luckiest thing that happened to you this game that got you where you are? You lucked out on multiple occasions in my eyes, but there is one specific moment that I'm looking for. Let's see your perception of the game. Luck is a factor in every ORG, but this one especially so, given the idol twist. Like I mentioned earlier, it's lucky that a) Cirie told John about Amber's plan and b) John chose to side with me over Cirie, because otherwise I likely would have been idoled out in Kimmi's boot round. That was the only round in the game where I think my fate was truly on a knife's edge. I'm lucky that people who may have been against me (or for those who were against me) did not return in Second Chances. I also got lucky with the composition of the nuBarra tribe on the whole, I guess.
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 24, 2015 6:23:33 GMT
Compare each member of the Jury and your fellow finalists to a chess piece. Explain why. If you don't know what chess is, get to studying.
There are people who don't know what chess is? I have split the contestants into categories as below. Fierce, independent knightresses: Steph, Cirie, Kimmi Fearless and not afraid to make moves or stand up for what they thought was right. Happy to go over the heads of others in their alliances to try and do what was best for them individually (GET IT BECAUSE KNIGHTS MOVE OVER OTHER PIECES IN AN L SHAPE). Sly bishops: Tom, Ozzy, Varner Sneaking (diagonally) through all of the other pieces on the board, these players were the sneaky snake big-game strategists that were always trying to make things happen. Watchtowers (rooks): Jamie, Shane, Crystal These three were more on the sidelines of the game (THEY START ON THE EDGES OF THE BOARD AND MOVE IN STRAIGHT LINES!!!!!!!!! JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW), but they were still keen gamers who kept watch and gathered information for their own benefit. Queens: Chelsea, Sierra We made it to the end of the game. It's only fitting. King: Joaquin, Matty Joaquin made it to the end of the game. It's only fitting. Matty is a king because I am e-married to him. Chelsea can also pick a king to marry, but I don't want to force her into anything by posting a name in her stead. This is a big decision to make. You may notice that I didn't compare anyone to a pawn. That's because I don't think there's anyone on the jury who was flat out controlled by any other player or simply used as a game piece. Everyone here played hard in one way or another. I am obviously tired of this whole love story season, so I'd like you guys to say two negative things about each Juror and each finalist. Don't make it personal, keep it in the context of the game.
I actually really fucking hate questions like this because I don't think they contribute anything of worth to the FTC proceedings. There's nothing to be gained from being critical of others for the sake of someone's entertainment. As you wish, though. KimmiWas too quick to flip on a group of people who genuinely liked her. The fact that she liked posts flaming me quite a while after she was voted out made me sad lol? CirieWay too OTT and just couldn't seem to rein it in. Still a bad bitch doe. Went along with Amber's deranged plot and completely screwed herself in the space of a single vote. Jamie
I don't know, maybe didn't make good enough bonds with original Penedo members to ensure his safety in his boot round, but it seemed unavoidable to me, so that's not really a negative. Was online at weird hours because of his timezone? lmao?? I'm grasping at straws here. OzzySomehow everyone knew he was a wicked strategist. This is not something you want people to know, because it makes you a threat. I guess he might not have been careful enough? ... I knew Ozzy for 2 rounds total and he never wronged me or made any obvious mistakes. I don't have another one for him, and I'm not even sorry. ShaneToo heavy on the aggressive character playing at times, probably spooked a few potential allies. Couldn't make the connections necessary to keep himself in, but I think this was more to do with how little time he had to figure things out. This question is really shitty, Jeff. CrystalSeemed to check out after Cirie's boot. ... TomCharacter playing may have sketched people out (it definitely made me unsure of him). Done had a bunch of burrs in his saddle. StephMade her "move" too late. Too adorable for the game to handle. Matty
Obviously loves me too much. Went on a Baltic cruise without me. Varner
Lied too much. Used idol super early in a vote that burned half the cast. ChelseaShe's mentioned that she's used to playing a colder and more strategic game. She might have gone too far towards the other end of the spectrum this time. Too sweet. I want to go on a date with her. Joaquin
Relatively inactive. Needs more essay-length confessionals. <3 On a scale of 1-10, how cute is the real Jeff Varner. This weighs very heavily on my vote (since I am him). Please and thank you.
He's certainly come into his prime with age. He is now an official off-the-scale 11.
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Post by Jeff on Jul 24, 2015 17:06:52 GMT
Thank you, thank you. Comments: I appreciate you going into detail about your relationships. I have a new perspective on you, so good for you! I do appreciate seeing your view of it because, just because I saw it a certain way, doesn't mean that is how you saw it or intended for it to happen. Nice to see how you played a big part in pre-game things and the Steph round. As for luck, I was hoping you would explain how insanely lucky the Shane boot round was for you and the rest of your alliance because I really do think the way it happened and was handled was so, so bad...I think you guys lucked out with the mispost and then the only 6 hour deadline instead of a new 24 hour one (mainly because I couldn't even be online to talk to and, according to them, keep my allies in check and realize what a bad move that was). That round decided the rest of the game really and is so frustrating to look back on. But I digress. And I want to explain relationship junk: I never bragged about a thing with the Ozzy vote, especially not intentionally. That's not really who I am. I think I was terrified of the outcome and I definitely could see where, after me being the one who takes most of the heat for being the one playing the idol and being the one who spearheaded the whole thing, that Tom and Chelsea would use this to get up in people's books so that, if there were a turn in the tides, they would not be the ones who are targeted.
My playing the idol was absolutely strategic. I knew that if I got it, I would play it and I knew I was playing it that round, I just didn't know if I would in order to make something happen or if I would in order to just ditch it. I wanted to use it for a beneficial purpose and when I heard of this alliance (that was actually true) coming around, I knew I had to take it down or else we (myself, Chelsea, Tom, Shane, Crystal) would get picked off one by one. That ended up happening anyway because....I've explained it too many times.
Final 4: I initially was completely for us 3 going to the end together and for the same reasons as you. But you saying you didn't trust that we wouldn't dupe you this round and vote you out 2-1-1 plus the fact that Matty said if Chelsea didn't have the idol to use on me, you guys would have voted me out (rightfully so), I just didn't feel like I owed you anything and you were my biggest competition, so I decided I would rather go out 4th trying to win this thing and taking fate into my own hands than to take an easy road to final 3 and lose to you after answering brutal questions.
So yes, when we initially talked, I wanted to, though I will admit I didn't want to go to the end with you since like the first round of merge because I did like you and wanted to sit next to deserving people. I also didn't trust Joaq that he wouldn't just tell you and vote with you if I tried to make a deal with him...but I somehow went with it anyway believing it.Now, THANK YOU for clearing up who told you about me even dealing that in the first place. I honestly thought it was Chelsea, but I didn't want to blow up at her and lose her support since I knew I would need it to get to final tribal to any capacity or have at least a chance at tying it. So, big F-YOU to Chelsea!!! Thanks, Sierra. Seriously. I still hope you will root for me when I'm on the real thing! I do like you as a person. Much like you, I didn't care for you as a player in this game either and found you annoying and thought you lied your ass off to me as well. All's fair in love and war.
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Post by Chelsea on Jul 26, 2015 7:05:40 GMT
1. Why did you tell people the times we were making moves? Was it Jury management, or was it just to make sure you seemed like the good guy and threw all the people who voted with you out to dry? (for the second part of the question, just choose either Jury management or throwing us all out to dry while looking like the good guy. If you try to explain, you will lose my vote.)
I feel like if I explain the first question I'm also explaining the second question which makes me lose your vote. It was more so: Making me look like the good guy.
2. How do you think your emotions are going to cost you from winning this game? Do you regret how emotionally invested you played?
I think they have cost me votes at the FTC. No. I mean, I played how I played. I think I learned from this game and can carry on to the next. That's all you can do. Switch things up. Learn. Improve.
3. If I was sitting there next to you instead of Joaquin, how do you seriously see the Jury votes falling for you? Do you win? Do I win? Do we both get stomped by Sierra? Tell me the votes you think you would receive and the ones myself and Sierra receive. Account for all of them. Assign the votes to someone even if you don't know.
Sierra - Matty, Jamie, Joaquin, Stephanie Varner - Ozzy, Shane, Chelsea - Tom, Crystal, Cirie, Kimmi,
This would have been before I knew the perception of me and all the questions at FTC.
4. Finally, you keep saying that it was because of that 1 minute I gave you to change your vote and you driving that you didn't switch your vote to Sierra. But you knew full well who I was voting for because I said it all day. I said I didn't want to vote away from you, but that I knew this needed to happen for us to have a shot (which was right). You're basically blaming me for not giving you time to switch your vote and it really makes me upset because I was trying to get you to flip and you refused.
So my question is this: Were you actually going to flip your vote or were you just trying to make me going out not feel like such a hit? If you were going to switch your vote, why did you finally come to that decision after me trying to convince you all day?
You didn't try to convince me ALL DAY. After noon I had discussed the possibility of voting out Sierra. You said that's what you really wanted. I said I'd consider it. We spoke about it for approximately 45 minutes. Then after 30 minutes I told you I was voting Joaquin. There were 20 minutes until deadline. With one minute remaining you IM'd me saying I VOTED SIERRA. SWITCH YOUR VOTE.
I would have wanted the tie on Joaquin (for more personal reasons). I knew he was lying to you via Sierra. I tried to tell you. But with 60 seconds and me driving that time went by real quick.
Also, when we were discussing it you never said I'm voting Sierra and that's final. You were always giving me options. In the 1 minute you said this is it. And I had a tab open on my phone ready to say SWITCH VOTE TO SIERRA. But I hesitated. When I told you I was voting Joaquin, you could have told me that you were doing Sierra and nothing else. And then I would have had to battle it out in my mind about who I had to be more loyal to. You from the beginning and through every swap or Sierra's deal at F6.
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