Ozzy
Jury
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Post by Ozzy on Jul 22, 2015 15:22:13 GMT
Congrats you three!! You made it to the finals of one of the strangest games I have ever played in. Sierra and Joaq, thank you for making it to the end for the Wildcat alliance. My time in the alliance may have been short because someone *Coughs* Joaquin, changed their vote a minute too late, but I enjoyed working with you guys.
Seeing that everyone else is bombarding you with questions, I'm going to be nice and only ask a few things. Just know that my vote is up in the air and any of the three of you can get it at this point.
Chelsea- The last thing I said to you before I left the game was that you needed to get out of Tom and Varner's shadow and play your own game if you want any chance of winning. I'm really not sure if you were able to do that enough to get my vote. For instance, every single time I would ask you a question you would reply with "I wish Varner was on" or "I'll need to see what Varner thinks." Steph and I were close in this game, but we always had our own thoughts and didn't rely on each other to talk game to other people. You relied so heavily on Varner that it was almost sad. I was hoping to see that you did in fact make some great strategy moves that I was unaware of, but you referenced telling Crystal about the Joaq/Ian vote and telling Sierra about voting me. Both of these were horrible moves and almost cost people on your side the game. You played very emotionally and it could be your downfall here.
With that being said, I want you to defend yourself. Convince me that there was some strategy behind some moves. You did amazing in challenges, which is something to be considered, but for me, Survivor is all about the social aspect of the game and how you use it to move yourself closer to the end.
Joaq- You have even admitted that you weren't the most active in this game and could have put more effort into it. I'm sure we've all had games like that, but I still think you played well enough to be here. You made and broke alliances just like the rest of us, you just weren't as vocal about it.
Can you please tell me give me three reasons why you deserve to win over Chelsea, and three reasons why you deserve to win over Sierra?
Sierra- When I got eliminated I said that you would win the game. You and I had a weird way of meeting, and I came very close to voting you out that round. I'm so glad we had out cut the BS talk and were able to work together for that one glorious round before the revolving door hit me on the way out.
My question to you is the same as Joaq's. Give me three reasons why you deserve to win over Chelsea and three reasons you deserve to win over Joaq.
Good Luck Guys!
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 23, 2015 10:04:29 GMT
Life was given by these GIFs. God bless this day.
Three reasons I deserve to win over Chelsea 1. The majority of Chelsea's strategic decisions, whether they were made individually or with her core group, were ultimately to her detriment. For example, going along with the eliminations of Crystal and Shane in pursuit of a F5 that not all of the involved parties were committed to was a very short-sighted move to make. It seems to me like Chelsea & Tom kind of got tunnel vision and did not plan for any future that was not their ideal F5. Conversely, all of the strategic decisions I consciously made during the game worked in my favour, and I was constantly adjusting and readjusting my plans based on the million different things that could happen, rather than focusing on a single potentially unattainable goal. Yes, Chelsea made it to the end, but it wasn't really through a series of moves she deliberately made. I am not saying she did nothing to help herself, because that's not true, but I don't think she had all that much control over the fate of her game (and those of her closest allies). I think this is probably the biggest thing. 2. Further to the above, Chelsea's choice to let her numbers go may well have resulted in her elimination had she not managed to win a bunch of individual immunities. I am not saying that needing to win immunities to get to the end means you definitely don't deserve to win the game - I think we can all agree Mike Holloway deserved to win WA - but unlike Mike, I don't think Chelsea needed immunities because she was seen as a threat to win, or because circumstances beyond her control put her in a bad position, or because she was actively being targeted. She needed them because she was the next logical boot for an alliance that she put herself at the mercy of, especially after going along with the Tom boot. 3. Chelsea seemed to be generally perceived as being a follower or in the shadows of Jeff and Tom. Her and Joaq were often cited as being similar in that they were both very UTR. Whether or not this is accurate is another story altogether, but in Survivor, perception is often more important than reality when it comes to the jury's outlook on one's game. There is nothing wrong with playing a UTR game, but there is a difference between playing a calculated game/being in control of your own fate and kind of just going with the flow/doing what your alliance thinks is best.
Three reasons I deserve to win over Joaq 1. I'll start with the obvious one - Joaq has been kind of absent for a lot of this game. He mentioned like a billion times post-merge that he hadn't written a confessional since round 2 which slayed me (I need the happy crying face emoji here) 2. Joaq was perceived as a goat and a non-threat by pretty much everyone. Was this a strategy he actively employed to get himself to the end? I don't think so. Like he's said himself, he found that he just didn't have the time for this game and therefore didn't put a lot of effort into it. 3. Joaq had much less social influence than I did. He was a useful information grabber because he was seen a loose number by a lot of people, but he did not form the same kind of connections I did with other people. In saying all of this, Joaq was an excellent ally to have for the entire post-merge, but I think I was always the bigger "player" of the two of us. Bonus reason: Joaq changed his vote 1 minute too late. What a flop. #neverforget
Thanks bae <3
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 23, 2015 10:16:25 GMT
I edited that like a million times but I'm done now promise
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Post by Joaquin on Jul 25, 2015 5:10:39 GMT
Joaq- You have even admitted that you weren't the most active in this game and could have put more effort into it. I'm sure we've all had games like that, but I still think you played well enough to be here. You made and broke alliances just like the rest of us, you just weren't as vocal about it.
Can you please tell me give me three reasons why you deserve to win over Chelsea, and three reasons why you deserve to win over Sierra?
Chelsea:
1. Chelsea employed very little strategy at all. She relied on many people to make her decisions for her, namely Tom, Varner, and even Sierra (who was on the opposite side of the game) at times. She was totally unable to decide to make a move for herself, often made the wrong move like voting out Shane, Tom, and Crystal who were all loyal allies to my knowledge, and then would often warn people before the move (usually someone else’s) would happen.
2. She played way too emotionally which kind of explains why she didn’t make many strategic moves. She was too afraid to hurt people even though they were huge threats to her game which is shown by the fact that she didn’t want to vote Matty and Sierra (who were against her) out and instead turned on allies, would warn people of moves to avoid hurting them, and most blatantly by her decision to try to vote against me (arguably a goat) last round instead of Sierra (a huge social player and huge threat to win the game).
3. Her social game seemed somewhat good with others but to me she was very boring, would just drop covnos, and couldn’t really connect with me. She also had to win the last few challenges because she had me gunning for her and I probably could’ve gotten her out if she hadn’t won out. Anyone who has to win out on challenges at the end should only have a shot at winning if they had an immaculate strategic game and got screwed by circumstance which is not the case here imo.
Sierra:
1. She had no power in the round where Cirie went and could’ve easily went if it wasn’t for me flipping because I saw more potential in working with her but it wasn’t so much what she said as much as it was that she was around more than Cirie. She could’ve went that round though.
2. She played a bit too emotionally at times and had trouble voting out people who could’ve been threats. She was very close to Steph and only voted her out because Steph had suggested voting out Matty. She also told me she would have had a lot of trouble voting out Chelsea had she not won immunities who was a physical threat at that point and a number against us.
3. She relied a lot on Matty strategically and though they made moves together, he was responsible for a few of the things that happened and she may not have gone incredibly far without his loyalty. I had a few options had I wanted to vote differently than the way I did at many tribals. She had a few options too but I felt I had myself more in a position to flip if necessary.
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Post by Chelsea on Jul 26, 2015 6:33:55 GMT
Chelsea- The last thing I said to you before I left the game was that you needed to get out of Tom and Varner's shadow and play your own game if you want any chance of winning. I'm really not sure if you were able to do that enough to get my vote. For instance, every single time I would ask you a question you would reply with "I wish Varner was on" or "I'll need to see what Varner thinks." Steph and I were close in this game, but we always had our own thoughts and didn't rely on each other to talk game to other people. You relied so heavily on Varner that it was almost sad. I was hoping to see that you did in fact make some great strategy moves that I was unaware of, but you referenced telling Crystal about the Joaq/Ian vote and telling Sierra about voting me. Both of these were horrible moves and almost cost people on your side the game. You played very emotionally and it could be your downfall here. I do think I played a separate game than Varner. I ideally wanted to hide in his shadow because numbers on our side were falling. I wanted him to be voted out before me.
He was talking up Stephanie and Joaquin while I was trying to talk to Matty and Sierra. I thought Matty was more in charge with Sierra #2. Jeff was talking to Stephanie and trying to get her to flip which was totally okay with me but there was an idol that was going to be played and I wanted to be on the right side of the decision in case I didn't win immunity I could still say I was with them.
Yes, those moves cost my side numbers. But it didn't cost me the game. I was able to use social ties to get to where I am.
Tom and I essentially played for Matty, Sierra, him and myself to get to the F4.
Yes, I played emotional. Yes, I wanted my friends to get to the end. Yes, it cost me my allies lives. But I made it here. My ideal F4 was 50% and my ideal F5 was 80%.
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