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Post by Shane on Jul 22, 2015 0:08:10 GMT
Ugh. This is my first time ever being on a Survivor Jury. And as someone who respects the integrity of the game of Survivor, I’ve always assumed that I would vote for who I believed played the most strategic game should it come to it. But it’s just not like that for me.
I’ve always been someone who has played with their heart, and it’s ultimately always been to my detriment. But it’s the only way I know how to play. My game needs a lot of developing and fine-tuning if I’m ever going to be a threat to actually win this game. Anyway, that’s enough about me, because this is about you three.
Getting to the end is never easy, so I congratulate you all on that. Whether I like you or not, or whether I respect the games that you all have played is beside the point, because you guys played a better game than the 18 people who were eliminated. You guys deserve to be here more than the rest of us. This is, however, where my praise ends.
I don’t particularly like any of you. None of you made a connection with me socially. I couldn’t give a shit who wins because I don’t actually give enough of a fuck about you as people (or players) because I have no connection with any of you on a human level. I don’t believe any of you made a connection with me at all. And you guys fucked up on that one because it was pretty obvious that you 3 always wanted me sitting on this Jury, because funnily enough, all three of you voted me out. In fact, 66% of the final 3 voted me out twice. And considering all three of you put me here, it’s fucking disappointing to see than none of you reached out to me to try and form a connection, knowing full well that I would be voting for a winner. You guys fucked up on that one, and I’m going to make you pay for it.
Sierra. You NEVER reached out to me. You apparently orchestrated my blindside on the OG Penedo, which I am failing to understand why. So fucking explain that to me. You gunned for me from the merge which I am failing to understand why. Fucking explain that to me. Also fuckign explain why I should vote for you.
Chelsea. You always fucking wanted me out. I don’t know why. I was always genuine with you on OG Penedo. We never spoke. You literally didn’t fucking do anything in this game. You can drop the whole “I TOLD EVERYONE ABOUT OZZY BLINDSIDE!!!111!!” because you telling them literally did NOTHING. Why the fucking should I vote for you. You’re just intolerable. I don’t even like you. You suck.
Joaq. Lol. Ummmmm… so you screwed me kinda and I really wanted to blindside Tom, but you and Steph fucked me over there. But you seem like an okay kinda guy. My vote will probably go to you (unless the other two can convince me otherwise). But yeah. I actually kinda like you. I don’t think you’ll win this game, but you proved yourself to me. I like ya.
OK. I’m rambling too much. But my final two questions are for all three of you:
1. My vote is on Joaq at the moment. Why am I making a mistake in voting Joaq? Why should I vote for you? (actually this question is more for Sierra and Chelsea, but Joaq, feel free to talk yourself up a bit).
2. I want all three of you to PM me and tell me everything you can about me. Let’s see if you did make a social connection with me. Tell me EVERYTHING you can about me outside of this game.
Guys, my vote is still up in the air. You need to prove to me why I am making a mistake in NOT voting for you. Fight for it.
Ok.
I’m a bitter jurer, but idgaf because I’m allowed to be.
I had a great time playing.
Good job everyone
#ShaneForAllStars
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 22, 2015 1:33:15 GMT
Jesus.
I can't tell whether you want me to pander to you or if you want me to be 100% real, but either way, you're gonna get the latter.
Being a bitter juror is OK. I've been a bitter juror a bunch of times, but I have never voted bitterly in the end. Hopefully you can do the same when all is said and done. I have to admit, though, that I don't really understand why you in particular are so bitter.
We did not have much of a connection - this is true. Then again, we had relatively little time to build anything, and relationships are two way streets. You get out what you put in. At the beginning of the game, I'd like to think that we bonded a little, but orchestrating your blindside was as simple as not trusting your character and thinking that Varner and Osten would be more reliable allies down the line. The trouble with playing a character, especially one like yours, is that it ostensibly serves as a mask for your real intentions, whether you want it to or not. I am more likely to trust someone who is themsleves and shoots straight with me. You were the person I trusted least on original Penedo. That's why I decided you had to go over Osten or Varner.
I also obviously did not intend for you to be on the jury, since I voted you out long beforehand. I don't think any of us anticipated the Second Chances twist, and to be honest, you flat out told me during the pitching/voting period that we wouldn't be allies if you returned. You later tried to go back on that, but the damage was done. There was no use in trying to work with someone who could not be consistent with me when I had other options. I told you during Ozzy's boot round that I believed you were going home because I thought you deserved to know, but it turns out you probably knew you were safe and were just stringing me along to make sure the plan worked. I did intend on throwing my vote towards someone other than you because I gave you my word that I would, and I thought the votes would be there without me. I felt genuinely bad for you because you had just re-entered the game and you seemed like you really wanted to play, but I could not risk hurting the strong relationships I had already built with others just to take a leap of faith with you. My preferred target that round was Crystal, not you, and my goal was to eliminate a "neutral" so that I did not have to out my true allegiances so early on in the post-merge phase of the game. That's all I was doing. Playing the game. I generally play chiefly with my heart too, so I feel you on that count, but I don't understand why you seem so personally offended by the fact that I voted you out when you just admitted that we had no semblance of a connection whatsoever. I did not gun for you in cold blood, or at all, really. Your merge boot, when it came, was borderline unanimous iirc. I'm sorry that you feel negatively towards me for whatever reason.
You should vote for me to win because I always got the impression that you were a game player, not someone who would throw their vote at the finalist who bruised their ego the least. I will not deny that Joaquin is a fantastic dude, but to me it seems that you intend to vote for him because you think he's "an okay guy" and because Chelsea and I took part in your elimination twice instead of once. That seems awfully shallow to me, especially considering Joaq admitted he probably played the worst game here. If you knew me, I'm sure you'd think I was an "okay girl", too. It's unfortunate that our gameplans didn't line up. If the cards had fallen a little differently, we might have been a wicked duo. Vote how you feel, though. If you really think voting for Joaq is justified, then do that, but please consider all I've said first.
I'll PM you shortly.
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Post by Chelsea on Jul 22, 2015 4:32:28 GMT
~Shane~
You always fucking wanted me out. I don’t know why. I was always genuine with you on OG Penedo.
When the host introduces your character as: "he created chaos amongst his tribe to attain a position of power." I knew I shouldn't trust you.
ALSO, on one of the first nights in our PENEDO tribe camp, I had been gone being with my dad, I knew I needed to bond with my tribemates. I start talking about Pokemon. Osten and Sierra and I get to talking about it, I need to make these connections. You come in and interrupt with some rap people names and songs and how they slay your life. blah blah blah I hate rap. I didn't want to change the subject back to pokemon because then it would look like I was trying too hard and attract too much attention. But at that moment I knew you were smart and trying to undermine my relationships with Osten and Sierra. It felt like you didn't want me to make bonds and connections, so I didn't make them with you.
I saw glimpses of you being genuine with me. But I knew you and Tom were close and I felt like the 3rd wheel. It was better for me if you were gone.
You literally didn’t fucking do anything in this game. You can drop the whole “I TOLD EVERYONE ABOUT OZZY BLINDSIDE!!!111!!” because you telling them literally did NOTHING.
I believe (albeit perhaps delusionally) that this decision helped Sierra/Matty with their power group not necessarily wanting to boot me and bought me time in the game and a way to get to the end. It garnered trust didn't absolutely draw lines in the sand for two sides to constantly battle it out until the end. The line was blurred and sides could still work together.
And considering all three of you put me here, it’s fucking disappointing to see than none of you reached out to me to try and form a connection, knowing full well that I would be voting for a winner. You guys fucked up on that one, and I’m going to make you pay for it.
I couldn't trust you (as stated above). Also, my two most important allies - Jeff and Tom were completely good with you. I didn't reach out to you because I felt like this was foolish. Tom told you to go to the other side so you could be safe. But you deliberately came to our side (we had a convo and you explained yourself) but you inadvertently almost got me eliminated. Then you lied about your idol play. You were the target even though you had the idol. You saved yourself. Good job. You couldn't listen to one of your best allies who knew more about the game dynamics than you.
You also spread everything to Joaq and Steph who were apart of the power grouping and I didn't want anything I said to you to get to them. I didn't want things to get changed last minute. Thus, we didn't speak.
I also did not want you back in this game. I ranked you last. I made a deal with Crystal that I'd do Kimmi #1 if she did you last. You just all around were this uncontrollable character that I wanted nothing to deal with. Am I facing the consequences now? Yes.
1. My vote is on Joaq at the moment. Why am I making a mistake in voting Joaq? Why should I vote for you? If you feel compelled to vote Joaq because the way Sierra and I treated you throughout the game, then it was our mistake to do so and we must face the repercussions.
I believe that I had better ties to the majority of the jury than Sierra. I managed to get to the end even though the power grouping of Sierra/Matty/Joaquin/Stephanie would have wanted otherwise.
Sierra was apart of the strategic decisions that group did but she had input from Matty, Stephanie and Joaq. She was more of the social butterfly type that got info and then the group made decisions.
I did the same with Varner, Tom and Crystal. I do not think that Sierra deserves as much credit as she is seemingly getting in these group strategic decisions versus what I am for the group decisions that I was apart in making.
Sierra and I are cut from the same cloth.
Our social connections and deals were the ones that got us here. Had Sierra and I not had a deal at F6 she would have to be in a tie breaker with Varner no questions asked. She's lucky that this game I have been trying to play more loyal versus what I would have done in the past.
Tom is on the jury because he was considered the bigger strategic threat than me. Varner is on the jury because he gave me 1 minute to switch my vote and I was driving. Matty and Steph are on the jury because they were the bigger strategic and social threats than Sierra.
If you think Sierra's social ability was greater than mine. Vote for her. If you think the strategic decisions that she made (apart from her group) were greater than the strategic decisions that I made (apart from my group). Vote for her.
There are far more bitter jury members on the jury for her, than me. So, (argument-ably) I'd say I'd win the better social play.
I did a lot of things against my group but yet I didn't face any repercussions from them. Steph did things apart from her group and got voted out because of it. I don't know what Sierra has done outside of her group.
Obviously, this is seen through my eyes and I'm biased. Sierra may choose to rebuttal.
#2 I'll send a PM sometime tonight.
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Post by Shane on Jul 22, 2015 4:52:44 GMT
But at that moment I knew you were smart and trying to undermine my relationships with Osten and Sierra.
Lol nah, I just like rap. Pokemon sux.
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Post by Shane on Jul 22, 2015 5:02:19 GMT
I always liked you, Chelsea. And when I was talking to you on OG Penedo on those first couple nights, I was genuine with you. I was genuine when I asked if your dad was doing ok. I was genuine when I said I had your back. Read my confessionals after the game. I wanted to work with you so bad. And I was most surprised by you when you voted me out. But after I returned after being blindsided, I knew I wanted revenge and didn't trust you. And you never tried to mend that relationship. I want to vote for you, but I don't think it's fair that I turn around and vote for you after you didn't bother to explain anything to me when I returned to the game.
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Post by Chelsea on Jul 22, 2015 5:20:47 GMT
I always liked you, Chelsea. And when I was talking to you on OG Penedo on those first couple nights, I was genuine with you. I was genuine when I asked if your dad was doing ok. I was genuine when I said I had your back. Read my confessionals after the game. I wanted to work with you so bad. And I was most surprised by you when you voted me out. But after I returned after being blindsided, I knew I wanted revenge and didn't trust you. And you never tried to mend that relationship. I want to vote for you, but I don't think it's fair that I turn around and vote for you after you didn't bother to explain anything to me when I returned to the game. I'm sorry. I felt those genuine connections with you when we discussed school/my dad.
Because of the 'majority' alliance of you-tom-sierra-oaten. Things got tricky. You were initially targeting Varner. And the votes rested on Osten, but Sierra wanted him to not get pre-jury. I saw Sierra/Osten as a duo but felt that Osten would get eliminated and didn't need to worry about that. That left Varner or you. Tom was close with you. At that time: I felt like Varner's #1. Tom's #2, your #2.
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When you return. You chose to come to our side which almost eliminated me. I knew our bridge had been burned.
I guess I should have explained myself to you, but I just didn't want to be fake. I'm not good at being fake. I knew I wanted to eliminate you sooner than later. You had reason to eliminate me. At that time, I felt rather solid on everyone's intentions but yours.
If I chatted you up to try and regain favor just to vote you out again, that would feel rather disgusting. So, we had very limited conversations.
If that means that I lost your vote, then I have to suffer that consequence.
Ideally, yes, I would like your vote. But I know that you & I and Ozzy & I have a weird relationship at the moment because I voted you both out twice with little explanation.
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Sierra
Sole Survivor
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Post by Sierra on Jul 22, 2015 7:05:56 GMT
Chelsea, I'm not trying to step on your toes, but you were in my ideal F5 for like the entire merge game, and in my ideal F3 for quite a while. I did everything I could to keep you because of this. To try and attribute the majority of my strategic decisions to groupthink is misguided and kind of unfair. I called way more shots individually than you're giving me credit for. I was never forced to do anything that was not ultimately in my best interests, with the possible exception of the John vote. My social connections afforded me great control over the strategic shotcalls in this game. I hate sounding cocky, but you make it sound like I was second fiddle to both Steph and Matty when that simply isn't true. If that were the case, one of them would likely be here instead of me. If you perceive me as being the least threatening of the Matty/Steph/Joaq/me foursome, that's your prerogative, but I think you may be mistaken. Of course it benefited me during the game to appear less threatening than the other members of my alliance, but that ends here. I also think that it's kind of redundant and harmful to your pitch to compare Matty/Steph/Joaq/me to you/Crystal/Tom/Varner, because it's clear which group was more successful overall, especially considering we came back from an initial numbers deficit.
You undermine both of our games by claiming that x or y is on the jury because they had better games than the two of us, when for the most part it isn't really accurate. For example, Tom was not a greater strategic threat than you. He made a hasty and shady move in booting Ozzy that lost him a huge amount of favour and curried distrust towards him amongst the remaining players. I think he was completely out of a shot to win from F10 onwards, and I'm sure he himself will admit that he gets caught up in making big plans to the point where he loses sight of what the far-reaching consequences might be. Give yourself some credit. You can't seem to decide whether your game was the best it could be or whether there are multiple players on the jury who played better than you did (realistically, I don't think it can be both).
I am of course 100% grateful that you kept your word to me in the end, but please believe that there were multiple opportunities where I could have gotten rid of you but chose not to. In that sense, you too are "lucky" (although I would never use that word in the first instance... lol).
As for my social game - yeah, there are some people on the jury who are likely upset with me for whatever reason, but I don't think that having people on the jury who are less than pleased with me makes my social game bad or even subpar. Some of it can be attributed to misunderstandings, whereas in other cases I just made much deeper bonds with some of the cast than other people did, which resulted in a lot of emotional turmoil when I had to play against my heart. You make it sound like my social play was reckless, but for the most part I think it was pretty solid. I could argue that the jury overall feels less burned by you because you had less of a connection with them than I did, or you weren't as involved in their eliminations as I was. Neither of these things are necessarily positive (or negative) from a gameplay point of view. They just indicate that you were perhaps more UTR or distant from the game than me. That's all.
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Post by Chelsea on Jul 22, 2015 7:28:10 GMT
I said you look second fiddle to Matty because he was the bigger threat over you and eliminated at F5 because of your weaker jury relations. All things considered, if you and Matty are indeed equal in social and strategic level, he was eliminated before you because of your seemingly rocky relationships with Cirie and Kimmi. That's why I said he is on the jury and not you. And that's why I said you seem less threatening.
Also, I can't be UTR or more distant than the game from you in regards to the Kimmi and Cirie boots. I was never on a tribe with them. That's just how the game played out.
Conversely, just like you cannot be more UTR or more distant than the Jamie and first Ozzy boot. You fortunately had the chance to bond with Jamie before you had no involvement with his departure. You also got the chance to create a relationship with Ozzy on his chance to re-enter the game.
I never got those chances with Kimmi (who I tried to talk to when the pitches were given) and Cirie. That does not make me more UTR or more removed from the game.
Just a 'more fortunate' situation for you.
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Post by Shane on Jul 22, 2015 12:26:31 GMT
Hey Joaq. How about you have the fucking decency to answer my question and actually participate in this FTC. Fucking ridiculous man. You've made it this far. I know you love to tell us how inactive you are, but ffs man, put in the effort now.
I think you may have just lost my vote.
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Post by Joaquin on Jul 25, 2015 5:13:52 GMT
My vote is on Joaq at the moment. Why am I making a mistake in voting Joaq? Why should I vote for you? (actually this question is more for Sierra and Chelsea, but Joaq, feel free to talk yourself up a bit).
If you feel like you can’t vote for me because I’m busy with a new job in real life and couldn’t jump as soon as this FTC started, then feel free to not do that but I will still of course answer your questions.
I haven’t played the best game and I’ve owned that but I never made a move that hurt my position in the game just because of how I felt emotionally. Voting out Debbie of course helped me because it was between her and I, the Osten vote was for someone I hadn’t talked to a ton, and the Ian vote was a bit of a blindside but my social game helped me avoid becoming the target with Varner and Steph. The John vote was for someone who I didn’t trust, who barely talked to me, and who I heard later on was calling me shady and who didn’t trust me. It also allowed me to get close to Sierra because those two were initially close. The Cirie vote was to save someone I thought I could trust more and it worked since I got here with that person. The Ozzy vote I had no control over but after that my alliance and I avoided becoming the target due to our social relationships and united alliance while everyone else didn’t really trust each other. We stuck with a Shane vote since he was shady and turning on Tom, voted out Crystal who was against us, and took out Tom as an endgame threat and who someone wouldn’t trust me specifically. I then turned on Steph who would’ve had my back but who also would’ve creamed me at the FTC. Matty going wasn’t ideal but he was also a threat and the only other option was me going so I was able to avoid that. Finally, I voted out Varner who was a threat at FTC and the only other option besides Sierra. Ultimately we all have different goals and in this particular game, mine was to get to the end with Matty and Sierra. And by employing my strategy and to a lesser though underrated degree my social game, I managed to come close to accomplishing it. We got to F5 and I am confident that had Chelsea not gone on an immunity run, I would’ve accomplished my goal and been sitting in my ideal F3 even though I may not have won. I’m not proud of how I played or how I handled this game but to get to the end of a game where I was almost totally inactive and not having been dragged there but having still made moves and played to help get myself here is a huge accomplishment to me and I at least hope that can be respected.
The answer to your second question will be PMed shortly.
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